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Feel the Burn

So it appears some evangelical leaders have figured out that maybe, just maybe, Jesus wouldn’t have liked Arizona’s SB1070. Good for them, but let’s face it, Jesus wouldn’t have liked anti-immigration laws of any kind. These evangelical leaders are dubious of their ability to convince their rank and file of the justice of their cause. This doesn’t surprise me at all. It seems that every racist anti-immigration e-mail I get is from someone who I know thinks of herself as an evangelical Christian. So, since evangelicals are fond of fire and brimstone preaching here’s some for you. God may or may not hate gay people. You may have a point about abortion, nobody I know thinks it’s a good thing, but it can get pretty complicated once you crack the surface. However, I can tell you with absolute Biblical certainty that those who are unkind to strangers in a strange land are going to burn for it. I think it would be appropriate to let them burn in a great vat of habanero spiked Yucatan style salsa.

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  1. Jason
    May 10, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Im not an evangelical Christian, so maybe Im not your demographic, but even though the Arizona law is not necessarily what I would choose, the idea of letting people get away with being here illegally is just plain wrong.

    Start with the obvious. The first word in illegal immigrant is illegal. They are lawbreakers. They come over and put a strain on our economy, judicial system, schools and hospitals and give little in return.

    It is irrelevant where they come from, whether abject poverty or affluence, the fact is they broke the law to come here. We have a system which allows immigration to an extent, but this system has to be continually overtaxed and skewed to prevent more law abiding potential immigrants from entering because of the vast number of illegals who do. This works to further dilute our population negatively in the same way the fact that irresponsible people tending to have more children does to our gene pool.

    We as a people have a right to limit the number of people from other countries who emigrate. We do this so our resources and infrastructure are able to handle the increased population. I have no problem with people from any culture coming here to live. But they need to wait their turn. I have a huge problem with people cutting in line or avoiding the line altogether.

    I cant say that I know for certain how to implement the perfect solution. I can say, however, that the only real way to make this work is to somehow entice Mexico to enforce its own border, be that through tariffs or whatever. If they dont take responsibility for their own people, how the hell are we supposed to assume it?

  2. May 10, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Jason,

    I’m surprised by your views on this issue. You say “They come over and put a strain on our economy, judicial system, schools and hospitals and give little in return.” I hear this kind of argument all the time, and I have yet to see any hard data to back it up. Mostly it’s reinforced with anecdotal evidence with more than a little racist undercurrent. Economists have demonstrated over and over again that immigration, far from being a burden, stimulates economic growth. I also contend that beyond the economic benefits that our culture is enriched and enlivened by our immigrant populations. To me none of this is relevant, however, to me it’s a moral issue. If we want an open and free society, we must have open borders. We are all citizens of the world, and no one has a right to prevent you from going wheresoever you choose. To me, even if the what you say about the burdens of immigration were true (and it’s been demonstrated time and time again that such claims are false), I would still believe we should open our borders. As far as the notion that illegal immigrants are lawbreakers goes I find that quite literally laughable, not in a funny sense, but in a tragically absurd sense.

    • Jason
      May 12, 2010 at 6:44 am

      Lots of problems with this. Lots. First of all, the complete lack of logic when it suits you.

      Tragically absurd? Is it illegal to cross the border and emigrate without permission?

      Yes.

      This is an irrefutable fact. When you break the law, what are you? A lawbreaker. This is a fact. Just because you disagree with a law does not make it less a law. These people have put their desires above their respect for the law. These are all facts. No amount of verbal massage or irrelevant morality can change these things.

      Your assertions about economists are also irrelevant. First of all, economists of all ilks can prove all sorts of completely unrealistic things because their models are flawed. Two politically opposing economists can frame the same data in opposite ways. Austrian school economists can prove that the market is self correcting in all cases, even though this has been shown in real life to not be the case.

      The final thing is the most insidious, however. This is what is so wrong with politics the world over. Morality has nothing to do with law. The government has no right to legislate morality. None at all, in any way, ever. We have separation of church and state for a reason. Go to your priest for morality, but keep it the hell out of congress.

      Here is another thing to think about: Our current immigration debate primarily concerns those coming up from the south. It is impossible to know the exact numbers, but a high percentage of these immigrants send much of their earnings home south of the border. This takes money out of our economy directly and only returns it in currency exchanges. This is terrible for us, and if more were doing it, would be even worse. Is it anecdotal, sure. But its as clearly damaging to local economies as Wal-Mart.

      A final thought: Our economy is staggering right now with 10% unemployment and cant seem to recover. If we just let anyone in who wants to be here, what do you think unemployment would reach? Before you start saying they are all taking jobs no one wants, think of people you personally know who are janitors, servers or other low skill jobs. The economy cant recover because those who have money refuse to spend it. There is just as much money in the economy now (actually there is more) as there was during recent booms. How is more people, causing higher spending for social services (not to mention unemployment) and other programs, going to motivate those people who have money to spend it?

      It wont.

      • May 12, 2010 at 7:31 am

        Jason,

        Every political movement that has ever been or will be is based on some kind of moral belief. There would be nothing to legislate about, or argue about without moral beliefs. You have oddly confused the issue. Most religions have a lot to say about morals certainly, but they aren’t the same thing. This is a big sidetrack, you can’t possibly believe this nonsense. If all that matters is law, then there would be no point in saying, for example, that Hitler was bad, and furthermore, by your standards every Nazi who said they were “just following orders” would be making a valid defense. Most people, I dare say a great many atheists, would say that’s bullshit Jason. There is a right and wrong that exists apart from the law of any particular time and place. Whether you call it Natural Law, or moral zetigiest, or whatever, it’s quite real and I don’t know a single rational human being who denies it. Our nation has engraved on one of it’s iconic symbols: “Give me your tired, your poor,
        Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
        This opens the door to legitimate claims of hypocrisy and racism. I have zero respect for the laws of men when they contradict justice and reason. That belief sir, far from being out of line, is the very spirit upon which this nation is founded.

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